Haix Tali Open 2016 Prize Money

Thank you to all players. If you won money please send e-mail to
markus.stigzelius@gmail.com (IBAN/BIC-Code, name, division and position).

If you want to hold your amateur status and decline the money prize, please inform us ASAP. You will get a gift card to Frisbeepoint.

MPO

POS. PLAYER R1 R2 R3 THRU TOT  +/-  PRIZE
1. Juho Parviainen 62 64 63 F 189 -21 1000 €
2. 1 Teemu Nissinen 61 67 65 F 193 -17 700 €
3. 3 Pasi Koivu 67 64 63 F 194 -16 500 €
4. 1 Jalle Stoor 62 68 65 F 195 -15 335 €
5. -2 Juhani Vainio 67 61 69 F 197 -13 294 €
6. 6 Jukka Leinonen 73 62 63 F 198 -12 261 €
6. -5 Arttu Sikanen 62 64 72 F 198 -12 261 €
8. 8 Joonas Kuitunen 70 66 64 F 200 -10 214 €
8. 4 Luukas Rokkanen 69 66 65 F 200 -10 214 €
8. -1 Dick Lampinen 66 67 67 F 200 -10 214 €
8. -1 Raimo Sokka 66 67 67 F 200 -10 214 €
12. -3 Tapani Aulu 68 66 67 F 201 -9 180 €
13. 10 Leo Piironen 73 65 64 F 202 -8 159 €
13. 3 Väinö Mäkelä 72 64 66 F 202 -8 159 €
13. 3 Seppo Paju 66 70 66 F 202 -8 159 €
13. -1 Silver Lätt 71 64 67 F 202 -8 159 €
17. 15 Mikko Laihonen 67 73 63 F 203 -7 138 €
17. 3 Jali Veranen 69 68 66 F 203 -7 138 €
17. -8 Jyri Salminen 70 64 69 F 203 -7 138 €
20. 16 Markku Nirkkonen 74 67 63 F 204 -6 117 €
20. 7 Riku Vink 71 68 65 F 204 -6 117 €
20. 7 Rene Honkanen 69 70 65 F 204 -6 117 €
20. Lauri Suominen 70 67 67 F 204 -6 117 €
24. -4 Markus Dvinjaninov 71 66 68 F 205 -5 96 €
24. -8 Mikael Häme 69 67 69 F 205 -5 96 €
24. -12 Heikki Helenius 71 64 70 F 205 -5 96 €
27. 5 Matias Söderström 72 68 67 F 207 -3 84 €
28. -1 Martin Rotmeister 71 68 69 F 208 -2 80 €
28. -1 Ilari Tuoma 71 68 69 F 208 -2 80 €
28. -19 Teemu Malmelin 68 66 74 F 208 -2

 

FPO

POS. PLAYER R1 R2 R3 THRU TOT  +/-  PRIZE
1. Eveliina Salonen 79 67 76 F 222 +12 359 €
2. -1 Catrina Allen 75 71 78 F 224 +14 245 €
3. 4 Ellinoora Heikkilä 89 81 76 F 246 +36 131 €
3. 1 Anne Kettunen 86 78 82 F 246 +36 131 €
3. 1 Vanessa Van Dyken 84 80 82 F 246 +36 131 €

MPM

POS. PLAYER R1 R2 R3 THRU TOT  +/-  PRIZE
1. Ville Piippo 68 66 67 F 201 -9 587 €
2. Toni Asikainen 69 67 73 F 209 -1 392 €
3. Kari Vesala 70 68 74 F 212 +2 291 €
4. 1 Sami Väisänen 75 66 73 F 214 +4 228 €
5. 10 Miika Mujunen 75 74 67 F 216 +6 159 €
5. 2 Raimo Kimmel 73 71 72 F 216 +6 159 €
5. 2 Jani Vuori 69 75 72 F 216 +6 159 €
8. -4 Teemu Holappa 70 70 77 F 217 +7 116 €
9. 2 Erkka Leivo 75 71 72 F 218 +8 101 €
9. -3 Marko Hämäläinen 72 71 75 F 218 +8 101 €
11. 2 Ari Penttala 76 72 72 F 220 +10 86 €
12. 3 Tomi Nieminen 71 78 73 F 222 +12 76 €
12. -3 Kenneth Wiberg 73 72 77 F 222 +12 76 €

 

MPG

POS. PLAYER R1 R2 R3 THRU TOT  +/-  PRIZE
1. Ville Kotamäki 75 77 80 F 232 +22 166 €
2. 1 George Braun 81 77 77 F 235 +25 50 €
2. Heikki Savolainen 83 74 78 F 235 +25 50 €

 

MJ1

POS. PLAYER R1 R2 R3 THRU TOT  Gift Card 
1. Mikael Hakala 67 74 72 F 213 190€
2. 1 Tomas Koskelainen 74 72 75 F 221 115€
3. -1 Albert Tamm 71 71 80 F 222 90€

2015 Haix Tali Open course statistics

The courses we play often contributes to the type of disc golfers we become. The Tali course is no different producing players who are most likely a bit more cautious than others. Phrases such as “let me just pitch up” or “I’ll grab my putter for this tee shot” are often heard from a Tali-tweller.

In this article I’ll present a course analysis based on 2015 HAIX Tali Open results as well as my own experiences in the course. The style will be similar to my Disc Golf in Numbers blog. I will refer to the competition hole numbering in Figure 2, and not the numbering of the permanent course. The regular number for most holes is two less than the competition number. For example the competition Hole 8 is usually Hole 6.

hole6

Figure 1, Hole 1 is relatively easy to birdie with three accurate midrange shots. Hole 8 is perhaps the toughest hole in the course.

First I’ll present risk vs. reward profiles for each hole. For example Hole 1 in Figure 1 is a typical high risk – high reward hole. It’s a long and narrow par 5 with a slope towards the left-hand side OB. It’s very easy to slip away from the fairway, but three straight midrange shots and you should be putting for birdie. Alongside Hole 1 is Hole 8, which is a high risk – low reward hole. It is very long, very tight, has OB left and is considered a par 3. The only hole in Tali that I consider as a low risk – low reward hole would be Hole 17 in Figure 4, which is relatively easy to keep in-bounds but is too long for most players to birdie. The easiest holes are low risk – high reward type holes. For example the final island hole is a must get for the top players: it is 83 m long and has no obstructions.

I determined the hole profiles in Table 1 by a cluster analysis on two variables; ­ birdie percentage and bogey percentage of the 2015 Tali Open men’s division. To get deeper insight I also looked how the numbers changed between three groups: players who finished in position 1-30, players finishing 31-60 and players finishing 61-90. The raw data for the Open division, Women, Masters and Grandmasters is in the end of this article.

Table 1, Clusters of holes based on their risk / reward factors (birdie/bogey percentages). Second column shows which holes belong to which cluster. Average birdie and bogey percentages are shown for these holes for the whole group, the top 30, the middle 30 and the last placed 30 players.

holes average bogey % (top 30, middle 30, last 30) average birdie % (top 30, middle 30, last 30)
low risk – high reward 5, 11, 13, 21 11 % (6 %, 9%, 16%) 37 % (50 %, 39 %, 23%)
high risk – low reward 2, 4, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 16, 17, 20 28 % (23 %, 28%, 32%) 9 % (14 %, 7%, 5%)
risk – reward 3, 6, 7, 15, 18, 19 19 % (12%, 17%, 27%) 24 % (33 %, 22%, 15%)

The first row in table 1 shows the easiest holes. Hole 5 in figure 2 is easiest hole on the course to play par or better, has no real hazards and is easy to birdie with a right fading shot. Hole 11 in the second leg of the course, plays slightly downhill, is short and open but has a steep drop right behind the basket. Hole 13 is a relatively easy par 4 which surprisingly no one eagled in 2015 in the open division, but had an unbelievable 63 % of birdies in the top 30 players. Hole 21 is a short island hole which is also easy to birdie especially for the top players and the middle field. Even though these holes are relatively easy the last 30 players in the open division still managed to have around 20 % of bogies in holes 11, 13 and 21, which means that Tali has very few “safe” holes. Hole 5 was the exception and had very few bogies throughout the weekend.

hole5

Figure 2, Hole 5 is the least risky hole in Tali. It’s not a “gimmy” hole, but the basket is approachable from most teeshots.

Probably the nastiest holes of Tali are presented in the second row of Table 1. These holes are quite difficult, offer few birdies and should favor conservative play:

  • Hole 2, in Figure 4, is a par 4 and has a triple mando going into a tight left turning tunnel. Finding good placement on this hole requires a lot of luck as well as skill.
  • Hole 4 (regular 2b) is a devilishly tight and protected par 4, although some trees and bushes have been trimmed for this year.
  • It is quite surprising that hole 9 is in the high risk – low reward category. This hole demands a fairly long straight shot, but is difficult to birdie with an RHBH. The basket is protected from the right side by a bush and some trees.
  • Hole 10 is incredibly tight and quite long, requires a tunnel shot and has OB both sides. OB rolls, and tree kicks to Vermo (neighboring horse racing track) are frequent events on Hole 8. An indicator of difficulty on Hole 8 is that the weakest third of the open division had 37 % of double bogies or worse.
  • Hole 12 is a 110 m uphill shot which needs to fade right in the end. This makes it very difficult to birdie – success rate for the top 30 was only 9 %.
  • Hole 14 should be an obvious safety fairway shot since there is OB all around the basket and the drop zone is fairly far from the basket.
  • Hole 16 is one of the nicest looking holes in Tali but demands either a monster hyzer or a risky turn-over shot over an OB island.
  • Hole 17 is basically a 131 meter tunnel shot, and hole 20 is a par 4 ending in an island green.

hole14

Figure 3, Hole 14 favors conservative play because of the OB and the relatively far DZ. This hole sees more birdie attempts in the final round when players take risks for position.

The final row of Table 1 presents the holes that are quite risky but most players should be able to birdie them:

  • The additional Hole 3, in Figure 4, should be an easy shot, but has OB on the right side.
  • Hole 6 is a tight but relatively safe and short finesse shot through a lot of trees.
  • The basket on hole 7 is reachable by two controlled shots.
  • Hole 15 is easy if you have the power for a monster RHBH hyzer shot.
  • Hole 18 plays well with a decent forehand or a slow turning midrange shot.
  • Hole 19 requires an accurate and floaty downhill shot through an early gap in the trees.

2015_haix_tali_open_course

Figure 4, Map of the Tali Open course. Hole numbering is different from the regular setup.

Hole 15 (regular 13) was a separator hole in 2015 because it requires a lot of power and very few birdies were made in the lowest positioning third of the players. Holes 9 and 20 were also difficult to birdie for the weaker players but manageable for the top players. Holes 8 and 12 were very difficult to birdie for all the players and many players choose to lay-up in hole 14 because of the lurking OB. Hole 8 was definitely the most difficult hole with a 64 % of bogies or worse throughout the open division.

Overall Tali is a challenging course but not crushingly difficult. The challenge is created mostly by tight fairways with plenty of OB. Tali demands a variety of accurate shots and isn’t too favorable to power throwers. Players looking to finish high in Men’s Open division should play each round conservatively staying out of trouble as much as possible.

Table 2, Mens Open division percentages for different groups

hole birdie % top 30 mid 30 low 30 par % top 30 mid 30 low 30 bogey % top 30 mid 30 low 30 worse % top worse % mid worse % low
1 30 41(6% eagles) 27 22 35 32 42 30 23 16 21 32 6 10 16
2 13 22 11 6 29 36 28 24 33 31 38 31 11 23 39
3 24 36(1% eagles) 19 17 58 52 68 53 15 10 11 23 1 2 7
4 13 18 12 9 41 48 44 32 31 28 30 34 7 13 24
5 29 38 32 18 63 54 60 73 7 8 7 7 0 1 2
6 20 24 26 10 56 63 51 54 20 12 19 30 0 4 6
7 21 29 21 13 49 52 50 43 24 17 24 32 2 4 11
8 2 3 1 2 33 46 31 23 38 38 43 33 13 24 41
9 12 20 6 11 60 64 72 44 23 14 19 34 1 3 10
10 9 14 10 3 34 39 42 22 33 31 29 38 16 19 37
11 32 44 32 20 56 51 57 59 11 4 9 19 0 2 2
12 3 9 1 0 61 73 59 50 23 17 22 30 1 18 20
13 44 63 42 27 41 30 40 53 13 7 13 18 0 4 2
14 5 2 8 4 58 79 49 47 17 13 20 19 6 23 30
15 18 32 20 2 64 58 67 69 16 10 10 28 0 3 1
16 11 16 13 6 54 63 57 42 24 16 21 34 6 9 18
17 5 10 4 1 57 69 56 48 26 19 26 34 2 14 17
18 27 38 26 19 55 47 59 59 16 14 14 20 1 1 2
19 25 34 18 23 57 58 60 52 16 8 19 20 0 3 4
20 11 23 8 3 26 36 27 14 30 22 37 32 19 29 50
21 43 56 49 26 39 37 39 42 12 7 9 20 1 3 12

Table 3, Women’s division percentages

hole birdie % par % bogey % worse %
1 0 39 25 35
2 10 16 24 51
3 4 51 35 10
4 2 12 45 41
5 20 69 12 0
6 8 49 31 12
7 6 22 43 29
8 0 10 53 37
9 2 51 31 16
10 0 8 39 53
11 12 63 18 8
12 0 33 49 18
13 10 57 18 16
14 2 49 27 22
15 0 55 31 14
16 0 25 49 25
17 0 33 41 25
18 6 71 12 12
19 4 55 33 8
20 0 14 24 63
21 12 49 35 4

Table 4, Masters and grandmasters percentages

hole eagle % birdie % par % bogey % worse %
1 2 18 46 23 12
2 0 11 25 31 33
3 0 17 62 15 7
4 0 5 42 34 19
5 0 24 64 12 0
6 0 14 58 26 2
7 0 14 43 33 10
8 0 0 27 49 24
9 0 9 64 24 3
10 0 2 39 34 25
11 0 35 56 8 1
12 0 2 51 38 10
13 0 34 43 15 8
14 0 7 64 13 16
15 0 7 60 26 8
16 0 4 38 43 14
17 0 0 45 39 16
18 0 13 63 21 3
19 0 23 53 21 4
20 0 3 23 45 29
21 0 35 48 11 6

Author: Miikka de Vocht

http://discgolfinnumbers.blogspot.fi/

Wildcards for Haix Tali Open 2016

Haix Tali Open 2015 Wildcards have been assigned to the following players.

Ville Virtanen 63329
Toni Toivonen 8775
Synthya Whitaker 63422
Niko Kempas 65571
Harri Neuvonen 8571
Juho Hautala 57978
Juhani Lehtonen 48418
Kalle Eksymä 27561
Seppo Kuikka 28837
Martin Rotmeister 51689
Marcus Ejdetjärn 53648
Joseph Kelleher 57599
Vesa Huotelin 59665
Richard Forsman 46729
Karl Sandevärn 46913
Toni Syrjänen 52973
Mikko Laihonen 49104
Tuomo Seppälä 60377
Ardo sepp 47270
Paul Ulibarri 27171
Catrina Allen 44184
Teemu Malmelin 39681
Miska Luoma 73812
Jens Grimbergen 80056